Ancient hominins used fire to make stone tools

https://www.weizmann-usa.org/news-media/news-releases/ancient-hominins-used-fire-to-make-stone-tools/

Using fire to make flint tools was something I posted on my webpage 9 years ago, I had no proof of coarse, seems like some people have, more interestingly notice the Thumb shape stone tool in the picture

Interesting to note in the article is that some of these tools dated as old as 420,000 years. They were possibly made by Homo erectus, Neanderthals and or other archaic humans. The oldest Homo sapiens discovered were 300,000 years old found in North Africa. The oldest known Homo sapiens in Eurasia were 210,000 years old. 38,000 plus year old Neanderthal / Homo sapien hybrid remains have been discovered in Israel.
The point being yet another discovery showing our archaic human ancestors were more intelligent than previously thought.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/world-s-oldest-homo-sapiens-fossils-found-morocco
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/07/apidima-greek-skull-oldest-human-fossil-outside-africa/593563/
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-remains-of-hybrid-neanderthal-sapiens-population-found-in-israel-1.8090373

Brett could you post a link to your related article.

There is no article, just something I wrote about, 'was fire used to work flints? is this something that i read from old books, or am i making it up?' was basically what i wrote on my webpage.

Well, put it this way if the totally unartistic munky people did some how produce art, they sculpted clothed modern looking humans..... How long ago???? Millions and millions of years ago

Species are defined by being able to produce fertile offspring, which we did with both Neanderthal and Denisovan, and therefore likely possible with erectus also. One good comet impact and we’re all Neanderthals again.

My take is that our blood line was corrupted, producing those messed up lines, if you see the images they have created for them they all look pretty messed up, just like some of the images in some stones, partialy human looking. but also with a beastly element, and that element is not always the same, human chin say, beastly eyes, or human face, odd bump on its head......

You might find this interesing, basicaly human hands are needed to make stone tools....

Unique anatomical features of the human hand facilitate our ability to proficiently and forcefully perform precision grips and in-hand manipulation of objects. Extensive research has been conducted into the role of digits one to three during these manual behaviours, and the origin of the highly derived first digit anatomy that facilitates these capabilities. Stone tool production has long been thought a key influence in this regard. Despite previous research stressing the unique derived morphology of the human fifth digit little work has investigated why humans alone display these features. Here we examine the recruitment frequency, loading magnitude, and loading distribution of all digits on the non-dominant hand of skilled flintknappers during four technologically distinct types of Lower Palaeolithic stone tool production. Our data reveal the fifth digit to be heavily and frequently recruited during all studied behaviours. It occasionally incurred pressures, and was used in frequencies, greater or equal to those of the thumb, and frequently the same or greater than those of the index finger. The fifth digit therefore appears key to >2 million years of stone tool production activities, a behaviour that likely contributed to the derived anatomy observed in the modern human fifth ray.

Here is an interesting article on the evolution of human thumbs and tool making.
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-earliest-humans-to-make-tools-may-not-have-had-fully-opposable-thumbs

As far as what archaic humans looked like, the recreation of their appearance has been based on biased "best guess" interpretations which change over time.

http://www.abroadintheyard.com/evolution-of-neanderthals-over-last-100-years-says-more-about-us/
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/02/us/old-skull-gets-white-looks-stirring-dispute.html
https://www.si.edu/newsdesk/releases/smithsonian-scientist-brings-kennewick-man-life-new-book
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20200519-japans-forgotten-indigenous-people

I wouldn't believe that for a second, I don't see any actual Evidence in the article????????
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-earliest-humans-to-make-tools-may-not-have-had-fully-opposable-thumbs

We have no apes or monkeys that can work flints to a standard that even matches the oldest and most primitive of worked tools.... That is Evidence....
No apes or monkeys can produce figurative art..... That is Evidence......

Homo erectus existed 2 million years up until 108,000 years ago.
Here are are some pre Homo erectus tool making discoveries dating as old as 3.4 million years. These discoveries are attributed to our hominin ancestors and not monkeys or apes.
https://news.asu.edu/content/discovery-points-ancestor-lucy-use-stone-tools-meat-consumption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Age#Beginning_of_the_Stone_Age
https://www.livescience.com/50908-oldest-stone-tools-predate-humans.html
https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior/stone-tools
https://www.livescience.com/50907-oldest-stone-tools-photos.html
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/oldest-known-stone-tools-unearthed-kenya-180955341/

Right.... so lets prove this unequivocally...... Homo erectus existed 2 million years up until 108,000 years ago.
Honestly don't do this, its rubbish.....

And if that just happens to be true.... It does not mean that humans did not exist 100 million bp till present.....

If you learn one thing from researching figure stones it should be this...... Most of what anyone thought they knew about prehistory is demonstratively false..........

Meet Nebraska man.....


On closer inspection here is the real Nebraska man

For those who don't understand the above read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Man

I agree we know very little about our past. However the issue with prehistoric humans possibly existing on earth more than 10 millions years ago is a stretch. Anything is possible but ....

Rocky wrote:For those who don't understand the above read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Man

I agree we know very little about our past. However the issue with prehistoric humans possibly existing on earth more than 10 millions years ago is a stretch. Anything is possible but ....

Well I think you missed it, the BIG problem is fiction being dressed as fact.... Not one single piece of credible evidence that Homo erectus made those tools......
To find evidence of people 10million years ago or more just look at gravel deposits that are older than 10 million years old.... Go for 50 Million year old gravel to be on the safe side, figure stones are there..... Either accept that or question geological dating.......

The older I get the less sure I am of anything. I think our dating systems are skewed also, not accounting for cataclysms that can shift layers or something like that.

Yup, geology is a mess, some layers that apparently took hundreds of thousands of years to be laid down show evidence of being put down very very quickly, so yeah, cataclysm.
I took this pic in Dorset a few years ago, the bottom of the chalk is supposed to be 150MYA and the top of the chalk is supposed to be laid down around 70MYA there is not 70Million years worth of bird crap that makes up the last foot of soil on top, thats for sure......

Strata layers being dated logically backwards in time is also probably false in many cases, the so called geological column appears in only one place in the entire world apparently, the imagination of geologists.......
Nicely uniform stripey layers can be laid down all at once in simple experiments in water tanks......