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Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:47 pm
Who was the human that carved Amy's rock and when was it carved? Modern human, Denisovan, Neanderthal,  Homo erectus or hybrid?
It could have been carved by modern humans within the last 50,000 years, however....
Just a couple examples of interglacial age archaeological and scientific evidence possibilities

Archaeology - Remarkable New Evidence for Human Activity in North America 130,000 Years (1992)
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/new-evidence-human-activity-north-america-130000-years-ago-180963046
Science - New scientific research confirms human agency on bone and stone artefacts from that site. (2020)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352409X20304478

Archaeology - University archaeological deep dig excavation - 300,000 year old stone age tool evidence in the Yukon (1960-1980)
http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/Arctic34-1-3.pdf

Re the "ape" megalith Gigantopithecus existed in Eurasia for 9 million years before going "extinct" 100,000 years ago
https://www.rockartmuseum.com/monkey-head-rocks

Smithsonian, “The earliest discovered site is almost certainly not the first place of human habitation, just the oldest one archaeologists have found so far.”
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-humans-came-to-americas-180973739

The point being - Whether it's an "educated" or intuitive guess of the when, what and why of rock art depictions, we really can't comprehend  the mind set set of prehistoric humans who lived in a completely different environment.
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:23 pm
Large eared elephants and apes In USA within 50 thousand years ago? See how it does not fit archological narative, or fossil records.
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:16 pm
Re large eared "elephants" 50,000 years ago no - but 115,000 years ago when the temperature was much higher in North America - possibly. Or possibly during the Beringia migrations with the warmer 4 interglacial periods in the last 400,000 years.
Many different "elephant" species existed in North America for millions of years up until 10,000 years ago.
https://www.rockartmuseum.com/elephants-mastodons-and-mammoths
Here is just a few of my large eared "elephants" I found in NB Canada.
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NOTE The temperatures shown above are not the actual temperatures. They are changes relative to the average global temperature of the 20th century (indicated as 0 which is actually 13°C/57°F).

80,000 year old Mastodon bones NB Canada

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Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:13 pm
Rocky wrote:Who was the human that carved Amy's rock and when was it carved? Modern human, Denisovan, Neanderthal,  Homo erectus or hybrid?
It could have been carved by modern humans within the last 50,000 years, however.....
So not whitin the last 50,000 years then. Glad you wholeheartedly agree with me then.
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:24 pm
Yes assuming there is a large eared "elephant" on Amy's rock i would place the carve date at > 100,000 years.
That's why I previously mentioned the 130,000 year old discovery in California.


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Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:30 pm
Yes, I would guess much greater though, it's a difficult one, huge populations over huge time periods, difficult to calculate when. Doubts in geology, and very sparse fossilisation don't help either.
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Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:34 pm
I suspect you maybe right however I am trying to be  "conservative" on my dating estimates for now until I can gather enough scientific information and or other comparable  "credible" archaeological discoveries. I myself have found a vast variety of portable rock art from very crude to elegant effigies within the same locations. This indicates portable rock art spanning 10's or possibly even 100's of thousands of years, indicating habitation by different groups of humans and or archaic humans.
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Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:13 am
Ok so it was thought that Neanderthal didn't create art on their own initiative. Therefore if any found linked to them it could most certainly be through the association with homo sapiens. Is this bc do u think" that it is assumed they were not capable of that level of thinking? And likely never would. Or for the few that C it quite possible for them to have made the art....how might they have enter into the process? That is if not by means if interaction as some believe.
I've been trying to come up with scenarios of possibilities..... Considering little evidence of skill towards things non essential. I'm thinking accident? Idk . After reading that article about the deer toe being boiled.....
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Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:41 am
I recommend reading these 2 articles. There is enough reference sources as well to answer your question.
https://www.rockartmuseum.com/racism-in-archeology
https://www.rockartmuseum.com/in-search-of-archaic-humans

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Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:37 am
The thing is what is labled as science and fact often is not, it could be that as has been thought for a long time that Neanderthals were not capable of figurative art, some things attributed to them seem to compare badly to a 2 year-old let loose with Crayola, and if a say 500 thousand year old art piece was found, the mainstream would say it was made by Neanderthals or habilis because their belief says there were no homo sapiens back then. Others feel Neanderthals were just robust humans, every bit as capable as us, but here is what I feel matter's most, so few fossils exist, and the hunt for anything that is not quite homo sapien to stick on a tree and lable as science, has blinded the public and a lot of academics to the truth.

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Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:39 pm
Why should we be surprised that  "modern" humans (Homo sapiens) and archaic humans are so similar.  "Modern" humans and archaic humans were interbreeding for over 300,000 years.  All modern humans have a small percentage of Neanderthal and or Denisovan DNA. "If two organisms can breed and produce fertile offspring, it means that they belong to the same species." There is no mystery to why the Homo (Homo is human in Latin) species over the last 2 million minimum years were physically different - climate and environmental adaptation over thousands of years. Skin color is just the natural byproduct of environmental adaptation, necessary for regulating the body’s production of vitamin D.

https://www.sapiens.org/biology/hominin-species-neanderthals
https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/genus-homo-0015551
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/346/6212/934
https://www.rockartmuseum.com/creation-vs-evolution

All found in NB Canada. Note the possible time period differences
The bottom right appears to show an archaic and modern human.
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Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:40 pm
It makes me wonder why science seems to sugest that the whole of human evolution occured in the last few million years? Strange how that no other creatures have such rapid change decernable in the fossil record, even creatures that have a very fast life cycle like dragon flies have no decernable feature set change or even shape change for the last 320 million years, if you believe geology. They have been pushing lies, it's a clear agenda, just ask Micheal Cremo.
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Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:36 am
This is a response to Brett's  criticism............I promised myself I wouldn't post anything here anymore but I will make just one exception.  All of my observations "all of them"  and the conclusions I have given here in this forum, are perfectly congruent with the facts I have gathered to date and all deciphering is as well. I might on rare occasion mistake a natural feature as an etching (photographs only) but that is the rare exception. They all point to the same theme “survival spiritualism” without exception and that is the truth. There was no time wasted by early man as everything and I mean everything was focused on getting to the next day safely.  You might call it a conservation of energy or in other words there wasn't any recreational art or time wasted.  Look at my postings here concerning the hallmarks of ceremonial stones and then look at my artifacts that I have posted at the museum #86.  As memory serves you are located in Great Britain so we will start there.  These are not my facts and if you doubt me then you must travel yourself and exam a dig site that is well documented as Neanderthal based on biology (snail fossils gathered and used to measure the time period of the artifacts plus other corroborating dating material).  There is plenty of mammoth art here and of course the team doing the dig here doesn't have a clue about that. Regrettably these guys view any artifact they pull up as a tool of some sort.  God help them.... they need it.  I would suggest a site outside of Suffolk as the artifacts here are the prettiest and most collectible.  Examine one of them that you feel comfort with that is a mammoth (beyond a reasonable doubt).  Now look for the spiritual hallmarks that I have mentioned in my prior comments.  All of them will be there but might not be obvious.  My personal thesis is that this behavior began before the branching of man occurred as  opposed to a transfer among sub species.  The early artifacts will “Always Show” at least rubbing and cut marks for counting and the rubbing course used for connecting to the spirit world.  Go to Physorg website- current Neanderthal art and look at the illustrations. You will see a bone that is smoothed from rubbing with cut marks. The investigators have no idea what it is or what it means but I do!!!!, at least I like their efforts here.   You have to walk before you can run. You can not criticize what you don't know or have and I have more artifacts and corroborating evidence and more knowledge about this than anyone else on the planet and that's a fact.  I know the current knowledge base out there and it is pathetic. If you gathered all the known ice age art artifacts on the planet in man's possession it couldn't hold a candle to the quality, number or accurate descriptiveness of the art and/or spiritualism....period.  Just remember I have all the cards my friend and I will end by saying I have more and better ice age art related artifacts than your British Museum and it isn't even close.  Brad
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Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:04 pm
I really don't want to waste my time tearing this down, what Brad has written here is not entirely false, but much of it has not been in any way demonstrated by Brad, A correct respons to my criticism and only true response would be to provide art so detailed and beyond speculation that Brad's claims could easily be interpreted from said find. And that still would not be fact, but would be acceptable logical conjecture.
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Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:25 pm
Not as convincing as the last one you shared Amy, but all possible. The first one looks to have some damage , the second looks to be lime stone or sandstone, quite easy to work but weathering and uneven surfaces produces paredolia effect just like in Alan Days finds. The last one is quite subtlety complex, I wonder if that is a deliberate depiction of a Hadrosaurus in there?
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Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:52 pm
Yeah, I saw that common face in the first one you posted of this find facing right, I can see a finger nail bottom left in your last pic, I'm not exactly sure what else I see, but that's a good start to identifying this as a ancient figure stone.

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Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:57 pm
Ahhh, turn the last pic 90 CCW, excelent head and partial neck of a dinosaur 🤪 facing right, pay attention to it's eye.
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Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:59 pm
Yellow with black vertical pupil 😲
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Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:27 am
Just like the one before, I see what I call the gorilla strut, head and out reached arm. Many faces possibilities here, in a mangled up kind of ambiguous optical illusion. Just like the popular 'is it a rabbit is it a duck one', a common technique used by ancient humans, there is a officially recognized sculpture that uses the same technique, attributed to homo sapiens, with a fairly modern date attributed, in the low 10s of thousands of years.

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Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:56 pm
🤣 just seen the foot with toe and nail details, quite rare to find it like that, its usually side on.

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